[Haifux] "Windows-Free" laptops in Haifa

Zvi Devir zdevir at cs.technion.ac.il
Sun Feb 8 20:41:39 MSK 2009

Hi Dan,

There is no law (in Israel) that forbids bundling laptops with Windows. 
Since almost all laptops come with Windows preinstall, it is pointless 
to search for white box laptop, as those are usually low-end laptops.

You should buy the laptop you want with whatever OS it comes with, and 
afterwards request a refund from the manufacturer according to the EULA. 
The precedent I've set will make it harder for the manufacturer to 
reject your request. Furthermore, if you want to take it all the way, I 
can provide help with writing the letters, filling a small court claim 
and representation in the court. However, I won't start the process with 
you unless you really want to go all the way (up to district court if 

BTW, Next Sunday I will give a rerun of my Haifux lecture at Telux, for 
those of you who missed it.


Dan Shimshoni wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> Reminder:
> On 3.12.08, we heard about Zvi Devir and his "Successful Windows Vista
> refund" - see:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/haifux@haifux.org/msg03372.html
> And later, there was a lecture in Haifux by Zvi Devir about it:
> see: http://www.mail-archive.com/haifux@haifux.org/msg03451.html
> And now what ?
> I went last week to two stores in Haifa area, of very large and
> country-wide computer network stores;
> I do not want to mention names here.
> I asked about some models of laptops (Lenovo and others) ; they told
> me that they are not
> selling these models of laptops without Windows Vista, and that "it is
> everywhere thus".
> When I told them about Zvi Devir and his case, they laughed. It did not
> interest them, and they said that they are not going to change anything
> in this policy.
> So ? are there any real results from Zvi Devir case ? Or is
> it ended in some compromise and nothing came of it ?
> What do you suggest me ?
> I suggest that everyone who has a positive experience with buying
> "Windows-Free" laptops in Haifa area or elsewhere will report here.
> The struggle must go on!
> Regards,
> DanS
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