[Haifux] The 10th tip?

Yossi Gil yossi.gil at gmail.com
Sat Feb 7 08:50:15 MSK 2009

Friends: One bit of information that I did not make sufficiently clear is
that the audience is that of students studying towards the prestigious four
year "Bachelor of Computer Science in Software Engineering" degree - these
are not "plain" users. Much of my motivation in driving the change was that
I was seeing graduate students who were spending enormous time in trivial
data processing tasks - tasks which could and should be done without a
single line of coding - that is students who were "spoiled" with the silk
gloves attitude. Our students will have to be thrown into the water, sooner
or later. It is just a question of painting the pool's edge in pink ;-)

PS. The youtube clip you give is brilliant.

On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Adir Abraham <adir at hamakor.org.il> wrote:

> I strongly agree with Dave and Dotan. The regular user is looking for
> simplicity and less typing. This will convince him that it's impossible to
> use Linux from a user's point of view.
> Adir
> On 2/7/09, Dave Roi <davidroi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I strongly agree with Dotan here,
>> Every single task a Linux user (user, not administrator) or even a
>> programmer will ever want to do, he can do it using GUI alone.
>> I believe that the perception that every Linux user needs to know how to
>> use the command line if he wants to use Linux is an archaic perception that
>> doesn't fit in with todays modern world and the modern Linux distributions
>> available today.
>> We try to show them how modern Linux is and how pretty Compiz Fusion is,
>> and how KDE 4 is much prettier than windows 7<http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/software/soa/Is-it-Windows-7-or-KDE-4-/0,139023769,339294810,00.htm>,
>> but then we open a big ugly black screen that looks like DOS and start
>> showing them all the l33t tricks we picked up in all the years we've been
>> using Linux.
>> I know using the command line is faster and easier and more powerful and
>> everything, I use it myself all the time, but for the windows user's point
>> of view, this is a total contradiction to the user friendliness we try so
>> hard to preach.
>> I know it's hard, but it's something I believe we must do if we ever want
>> the simple windows user to start using Linux.
>> I mean, look at the Technion. These are computer science majors we are
>> talking about, and we can't even convince them to use it! how will we ever
>> be able to convince the regular folks?
>> So please, pretty please, with a cherry on top, stick to GUI apps when you
>> teach a windows user how to use Linux.
>> Dave.
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 21:39, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 2009/2/6 Yossi Gil <yossi.gil at gmail.com>:
>>> > Folks, I realize the document I made was not sent, since this list does
>>> not
>>> > take attachments.  Here it goes.
>>> >
>>> This document will only scare people away from Linux. Do not include
>>> the command line tips. It makes it appear that you have to know these
>>> commands in order to use Linux.
>>> --
>>> Dotan Cohen
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