[Haifux] A meeting proposal - Ranting over poor internet support

Shahar Dag dag at cs.technion.ac.il
Wed Mar 17 10:32:00 MSK 2010


I agree that web sites should be accessible from more then one browser.

I am not sure if sending 20 letters to a web muster on one day is better 
then 20 letters to the same web muster that arrives in a period of a month.

I suggest opening a page in the clubs site that will contain:

  1.. A table with the data of all the bad sites.
    1.. The table should include:
    2.. The company name
    3.. The URL of the site
    4.. The browser that is not working
    5.. The problem
    6.. The date this entry was added
    7.. The email address of the webmaster
    8.. The email address (or any other address) of the company headquarter
    9.. The date this entry was added
    10.. Did the fix the problem ( & when )
  2.. Some templates of a letters to a webmaster / company headquarter
  3.. Links to tools that can check the quality of the web page
  4.. Links to instructions on how to make a web page standard
I suggest that Linux-il and any Linux / open source community shell be asked 
to send the same letters according to this web page.

I think that we shell include in the letter to the web muster a link to a 
free tool that can scan his web & point out all the non-standard parts. If 
we can point out to a solution page, this will be even better.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Orr Dunkelman" <orr.dunkelman at gmail.com>
To: "Haifux" <haifux at haifux.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:21 PM
Subject: [Haifux] A meeting proposal - Ranting over poor internet support

> Hi everybody,
> Well, we all know that feeling when we try to approach the website
> http://some.url.here and fail because they require IE on a windows
> machine.
> While the situation is slowly getting better (in some aspects), we are
> still far away from the wonderland we promised ourselves (yeah, once
> there will be 1000's of Linux users, once there will be an official
> organization, once the moon will be green). In these instances we
> usually complain when we hit a specific website where things do not
> work. This sometimes lead to better support, but sometimes not. The
> reason for failure is that we usually do not act as a group.
> Hence, I would like to suggest a "rant" meeting, where we will all sit
> down together, and at the same time send complaint letters to as many
> websites as possible (even those we are not users of). While it is
> easy to answer to 1 person complaining on lack of true support, 20
> people, each writing their own letter arriving at the same time (give
> or take), is something which is harder to discard.
> Before the meeting we will collect the offending websites, and in the
> meeting, each of us will send a polite email (with emphasis on
> "polite") to the webmasters of all the websites (even if you are not a
> client, mention that you cannot become a client until they have
> support for your browser).
> Besides a hope for a better tomorrow for us and our children ;) we
> will also increase our exposure, maybe shift things in the right
> direction, and of course, have a wonderful time ranting on all the
> nasty webmasters who insist that IE is the only solution.
> Any takers? (btw, this is a meeting which we can also hold
> electronically, so those of us who cannot attend physically, can
> attend through chats, IMs, and such),
> -- 
> Orr Dunkelman,
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