[Haifux] [HAIFUX Workshop] The Web Rant Workshop

cool-RR cool-rr at cool-rr.com
Tue Apr 27 00:35:35 MSD 2010

I haven't been following this thread at all, but if you're criticizing
Israeli sites, please include Pelephone's. One of their crimes: In their
login page, if you press Enter instead of clicking the button, it won't
work, and return you to the login screen without showing an error message.
(So you might think you typed the wrong password and waste a lot of time.)


On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Eli Billauer <eli at billauer.co.il> wrote:

> Orr Dunkelman wrote:
> > history shows that people approached
> > webmasters as individuals, and usually it did not succeed. Maybe
> > trying as a group would have a better effect.
> >
> >
> Since the event is now over, I'd like to share my opinion about the
> whole web compatibility issue: In short, I think it's a waste of energy.
> Not because it's hopeless, but because it's a war to be won with or
> without the FOSS community in it.
> In the past, non-IE users were mainly Linux users and otherwise geeks. I
> don't justify those who ignored complaints from us, but I can understand
> them. Such a complaint necessarily meant that the person complaining
> knows how to solve his or her problem (that is, install Windows and IE)
> but chooses not to. The fact that the site is defective is bad, but if
> it harms a very small group with some weird ideology about software. In
> particular, if the complaint included terms such as W3C, it's evident
> that it's about ideology and not getting access to the site.
> What is happening, is that Firefox is becoming popular. It's not a W3C
> compliance issue anymore, but a mass of angry users, some of whom aren't
> so technically competent. It's evident in the server's logs, and the
> complaints come from ordinary people. That's a whole different story.
> So what I'm saying is that the switch to compatible sites is ongoing,
> and it has nothing to do with us. I'm pretty sure that almost all
> non-compatible sites have an open project to fix it.
> I therefore suggest that we mind our own business, such as if we will
> have a usable GNU/Linux distribution in a few years, which feels like
> FOSS. That is, assumes that the user is intelligent enough to control
> his or her computer. If the current trend goes on, we'll find ourselves
> with Windows clones very soon, for better and for worse.
>   Eli
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Ram Rachum
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