[Haifux] Student complaints.

Haggai Eran haggai.eran at gmail.com
Tue Jan 27 00:23:14 MSK 2009

I assumed the problems with moving files to windows was the different
encoding of new-line characters. unix2dos and dos2unix can be used if that's
the case, or their equivalents on windows systems. If eclipse is used, I
think it can be changed to use whatever style you like.

About eclipse: I've used it a lot, both as a student, working in Java for
the OS Project course, and at work, with CDT. With Java it worked great, and
I don't remember any crashes. With CDT I think I did see it crash once or
twice. Of course such crashes need to be investigated further, and since
this list doesn't seem to have many Eclipse experts, I would try to get help
here <https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/>. I've also used PyDev and EclipseFP if
it might help anyone. :)


On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Eli Billauer <eli at billauer.co.il> wrote:

> Hello again.
> Now we're talking!
> To begin with, I see that students mention problems with transporting
> files to Windows. I suppose that they use Microsoft's compiler, and run
> into problems with the back and forth?
> Which brings me to turn to all Linux evangelists out there: You've maybe
> missed it, but this is the moment you've been all waiting for: Someone
> has forced CS students to use Linux in the labs. They will end up either
> hating it and stick to Windows, or adopt it on their own computers,
> solving most of their annoying problems. And it looks like it's going to
> depend on, well, us.
> There may be a need to make a LiveCD for CS students, which would
> basically be the original Ubuntu disc + utilities for developing if
> necessary. This could allow students to use the same environment at
> home, without installing Linux on their hard disks. As this is an
> recurring process (the disc will need to be upgraded as Ubuntu gets
> upgraded) I can't see how it's done well by volunteers. But once someone
> has done it the first time, I suppose it will be pretty easy to repeat it.
> As for Eclipse: Dear Haifuxers, is any of use using it? Personally, I
> don't like IDEs, and I believe I have a few people with me on this
> mailing list.
> If the policy would be to guide students to work with more down-to-earth
> tools (XEmacs/vim, make, gcc, ddd etc) I suppose we have quite some
> material handy, and I suppose it won't be difficult to find someone to
> speak about these. I believe it's an educational choice, partly because
> the programmer gets a better feel of the tools, as opposed to IDEs which
> generally attempt to hocus-pocus.
> As for MS Office, there's always OpenOffice, which I don't use
> personally. If the real problem is compatibility between MS and
> OpenOffice, it's time to remind everyone that OpenOffice exists for
> Windows as well. Or use the LiveCD solution.
> As for the other issues, I can only ask one question: Do you have one
> Linux geek in the lab's support team? To me it seems like these problems
> require a few hours each to solve, which is peanuts in terms of
> employment, but too much to ask someone to volunteer for.
> Other views?
>   Eli
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