<div dir="ltr">I assumed the problems with moving files to windows was the different encoding of new-line characters. unix2dos and dos2unix can be used if that's the case, or their equivalents on windows systems. If eclipse is used, I think it can be changed to use whatever style you like.<br>
<br>About eclipse: I've used it a lot, both as a student, working in Java for the OS Project course, and at work, with CDT. With Java it worked great, and I don't remember any crashes. With CDT I think I did see it crash once or twice. Of course such crashes need to be investigated further, and since this list doesn't seem to have many Eclipse experts, I would try to get help <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/">here</a>. I've also used PyDev and EclipseFP if it might help anyone. :)<br>
<br>Haggai<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Eli Billauer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eli@billauer.co.il">eli@billauer.co.il</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hello again.<br>
<br>
Now we're talking!<br>
<br>
To begin with, I see that students mention problems with transporting<br>
files to Windows. I suppose that they use Microsoft's compiler, and run<br>
into problems with the back and forth?<br>
<br>
Which brings me to turn to all Linux evangelists out there: You've maybe<br>
missed it, but this is the moment you've been all waiting for: Someone<br>
has forced CS students to use Linux in the labs. They will end up either<br>
hating it and stick to Windows, or adopt it on their own computers,<br>
solving most of their annoying problems. And it looks like it's going to<br>
depend on, well, us.<br>
<br>
There may be a need to make a LiveCD for CS students, which would<br>
basically be the original Ubuntu disc + utilities for developing if<br>
necessary. This could allow students to use the same environment at<br>
home, without installing Linux on their hard disks. As this is an<br>
recurring process (the disc will need to be upgraded as Ubuntu gets<br>
upgraded) I can't see how it's done well by volunteers. But once someone<br>
has done it the first time, I suppose it will be pretty easy to repeat it.<br>
<br>
As for Eclipse: Dear Haifuxers, is any of use using it? Personally, I<br>
don't like IDEs, and I believe I have a few people with me on this<br>
mailing list.<br>
<br>
If the policy would be to guide students to work with more down-to-earth<br>
tools (XEmacs/vim, make, gcc, ddd etc) I suppose we have quite some<br>
material handy, and I suppose it won't be difficult to find someone to<br>
speak about these. I believe it's an educational choice, partly because<br>
the programmer gets a better feel of the tools, as opposed to IDEs which<br>
generally attempt to hocus-pocus.<br>
<br>
As for MS Office, there's always OpenOffice, which I don't use<br>
personally. If the real problem is compatibility between MS and<br>
OpenOffice, it's time to remind everyone that OpenOffice exists for<br>
Windows as well. Or use the LiveCD solution.<br>
<br>
As for the other issues, I can only ask one question: Do you have one<br>
Linux geek in the lab's support team? To me it seems like these problems<br>
require a few hours each to solve, which is peanuts in terms of<br>
employment, but too much to ask someone to volunteer for.<br>
<br>
Other views?<br>
<br>
Eli<br>
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