<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ladypine@gmail.com" target="_blank">ladypine@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Amir, trolling is great when it has some truth in it. <div> <br></div></div></blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div>The facts are:<div>1. I wrote the code for the new version of the site, made the sources accessible and released the basic package under the GPL (available as a tar ball from <a href="http://ladypine.org/make_site-1.tar.gz" target="_blank">http://ladypine.org/make_site-1.tar.gz</a>) when I was not affiliated with the Technion at all.</div>
<div>2. Haifux is currently managed by three people, one from Haifa university, one partially from the Technion, and one from the industry.</div><div>3. Haifux was founded by one person from the industry and one from the Technion.</div>
<div><br></div><div>This means that Haifux has always been led by people from outside the Technion in collaboration (sometimes) with people from the Technion. This is why Haifux takes place in the evening, unlike all the Technion seminars. This is why we have not had the key to the PC cabinet for years. This is why we struggle to get a regular room. This is why we have trouble with car permits. This is why we fight to get our talks announced in the Technion.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In short, we have been trying to get INTO the Technion for years, we certainly have no problem getting out.</div><span class=""><font color="#888888"><div><br></div></font></span><div><span class=""><font color="#888888">Orna</font></span><div>
<div class="h5"><br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Thanks for the facts Orna.<br></div><div>I was just wondering why won't Haifux try to organize some activities for the northern people. Lectures are good, but it seems to me very limiting to have only lectures and only at the Technion.<br>
<br></div><div>Buy yes, I know, if I'm to advocate Linux in the Krayot/Haifa area I should organize that myself, and just let Haifux know so they will be happy. But, currently Tel Aviving :)<br><br>Thanks!<br></div><div>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Amir Eldor <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amir.eldor@gmail.com" target="_blank">amir.eldor@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div></div>warning: I am not usually trolling, but when I do, I have fun doing it.<br>
<br>@Shlomi,<br>
<br></div><div>I don't remember who said it, but he suggested the Haifux guys are afraid to leave the Technion boundaries and do anything outside of their beloved Taub. Thus, sharing their site's code in the wild, or doing anything that is not Technion-based, is definitely out of the question.<br>
</div><div><br></div>Also, I like the indentation on your name in your signature.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888">Amir</font></span><div><div>
<br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 8, <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013" target="_blank">2013</a> at 1:06 PM, Shlomi Fish <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org" target="_blank">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello guy,<br>
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On Mon, 07 Jan <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013" target="_blank">2013</a> 23:33:30 +0200<br>
guy keren <<a href="mailto:guy.choo.keren@gmail.com" target="_blank">guy.choo.keren@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
><br>
> the site is not meant for collaboration, and as such - does not need<br>
> more engineering.<br>
><br>
<br>
</div>What do you mean by "more engineering"?<br>
<div><br>
> [please don't bring your trolling here]<br>
><br>
<br>
</div>Well, I cannot make heads nor tails of the sources in this page -<br>
<a href="http://www.haifux.org/about.html" target="_blank">http://www.haifux.org/about.html</a> - do I really need to manually download all<br>
those links? Can I somehow find a tarball with all the sources, so I can submit<br>
a patch? Furthermore, there are many more good reasons to use a version control<br>
system (including for single-user development) rather than only to facilitate<br>
collaboration - see:<br>
<a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/Perl/Newbies/lecture5/version-control/motivation.html" target="_blank">http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/Perl/Newbies/lecture5/version-control/motivation.html</a><br>
<br>
That put aside, someone had complained in <a href="tel:2007" value="+9722007" target="_blank">2007</a> about Haifux’s build system here<br>
- <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/haifux@haifux.org/msg02591.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/haifux@haifux.org/msg02591.html</a> (also see my<br>
reply:<br>
<a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/haifux@haifux.org/msg02598.html" target="_blank">http://www.mail-archive.com/haifux@haifux.org/msg02598.html</a> ), and while this<br>
may have improved somewhat since then, it seems that he ran into problems while<br>
trying to update the site too.<br>
<br>
Furthermore, software projects should not deliberately try to discourage<br>
people from contributing, see what I wrote about it here:<br>
<br>
* <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769899" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=769899</a><br>
<br>
Namely, thinking "no one contributes to my project so there is no need to make<br>
it easy for them" is likely going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy, and if you<br>
make it easier to contribute to your projects, then it's more probable people<br>
will.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Shlomi Fish<br>
<div><br>
> --guy<br>
><br>
> On 01/07/2013 10:16 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:<br>
> > Hi Orna,<br>
> ><br>
> > On Mon, 7 Jan <a href="tel:2013" value="+9722013" target="_blank">2013</a> 20:52:10 +0200<br>
> > Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda <<a href="mailto:ladypine@gmail.com" target="_blank">ladypine@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> It is room 6. Shlomi, or anyone else, if you can edit the Hebrew page I<br>
> >> will be happy to update it. I lost the ability to do that due to encoding<br>
> >> problems.<br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks for the info.<br>
> ><br>
> > I see the site's code is mentioned in <a href="http://www.haifux.org/about.html" target="_blank">http://www.haifux.org/about.html</a> . Is<br>
> > the self-contained source available inside a version control system? If not,<br>
> > then Haifux should definitely use one, see:<br>
> ><br>
> > * <a href="http://perl-begin.org/tutorials/bad-elements/#version_control" target="_blank">http://perl-begin.org/tutorials/bad-elements/#version_control</a><br>
> ><br>
> > I don't want to start a flamewar here, but I think that there's a large<br>
> > general consensus among most open source developers (and a large number of<br>
> > clueful ones working on non open source software) that using version control<br>
> > is a good idea, and it will facilitate collaborating on the Haifux site.<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards,<br>
> ><br>
> > Shlomi Fish<br>
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