<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Nir Abulaffio <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anir@research.haifa.ac.il">anir@research.haifa.ac.il</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Hello everyone,<br>
Indeed we had no luck yesterday. I was late, and I would like to<br>
apologize for that (I was at a funeral and had a traffic jam getting to<br>
Haifa) So I am really really sorry, Roy.<br>
If I had been in time, I might have remebered to go to the "ahraii-binyan"<br>
and get the key.<br>
This is the second time, lately, that we have problems.<br>
I cannot complain, putting no effort into organizing, however, we,<br>
[we= the whole haifux] should realize that in certain cases SOME logistics<br>
is required.<br>
<br>
Some cases: when (1) one of us gives a lecture, and just 4 people show up<br>
and there are organizational problems... we understand. BUT, when (2) a<br>
guy comes from Tel-Aviv or Jerusalem (faces traffic, or Bus travel and<br>
expenses AND TIME) and the same happens, Then... THIS should not happen.<br>
Shachar was, maybe, the first to put this in writing: he wrote on<br>
02 Jun 2009 12:01:42 :<br>
"giving a Haifux lecture requires some effort on my part. Aside from<br>
everything else, this requires getting out of work at about 4 pm and drive<br>
to Haifa, as well as ...[cut]<br>
All this I will gladly do, and enjoy it...[cut]<br>
I, on my part, am more than willing to leave work early, drive both<br>
direction and give the lecture,<br>
BUT YOU HAVE TO DO ONE THING IN RETURN. SHOW UP<br>
but you have to do one thing in return. Show up."<br>
(the uppercase in mine, Nir)<br>
<br>
So, in case (2) we (we=as above) should be reasonably sure that there be<br>
adequate audience and logistics.<br>
I am not counting the last meeting, run by Orr, who happens to have a key.<br>
very few people showed up. Orr also comes from rather far away...<br>
Apologies, Orr.<br>
<br>
Ram was there yesterday, and told me he has to work to prepare the<br>
lecture. Do we want to file this under case (2) ?<br>
Also, a guy called Sela (after consulting me) offered to give a lecture<br>
about something and got a reply "Your message to Haifux awaits moderator<br>
approval" --> "awaits" for how long ? This is not encouraging...<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Nir, and everyone else who has the initiative to enlist speakers:</div><div><br></div><div>Please direct potential speakers to webmaster at <a href="http://haifux.org">haifux.org</a>, not to the mailing list (haifux at <a href="http://haifux.org">haifux.org</a>). The webmaster address will not produce the "moderation" response you just described, and will reach Eli, Orr and me, who can schedule the lecture.</div>
<div> </div><div>Thanks</div><div>Orna</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
If we do not want haifux to melt away and disappear like the cheshire cat,<br>
we should consider some method of knowing how many people will show up.<br>
a. If a given subject does not interest anyone - we can decline politely<br>
the offer.<br>
b. If on a given date, noone can come, we can ask to change the date.<br>
<br>
If we do nothing, we count on chance, and statistics does not work so well<br>
in small numbers.<br>
<br>
The last lecturer who came from far said : "I considered it an honour to<br>
talk at haifux. then he added: There is an old Japanese saying, "He who<br>
never climbs Mount Fuji is a fool, and he who climbs twice is twice the<br>
fool". So he concluded :"I have given a lecture in Haifux, but, I'll not<br>
do it again".<br>
<br>
Roy is a CS student (6th semester) how was he impressed ?<br>
Do we want our lecturers to give one lecture and go away ?<br>
Nir.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
On Tue, 11 May 2010, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote:<br>
<br>
> The door should be open all night long - this room is dedicated to<br>
> self-studying during the night.<br>
><br>
> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Maxim Kovgan <<a href="mailto:kovganm@gmail.com">kovganm@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > I think a good idea is to set up a "chain of command" as people do in the<br>
> > armies.<br>
> > It is also a good thing from organizational perspective.<br>
> > This chain of command should work with the faculty people (Moti or Alex or<br>
> > whoever), and not every willing lecturer.<br>
> ><br>
> > If the obliged representative is not able to arrive they *has to* ping the<br>
> > next in the chain,<br>
> > to at least make sure the door is open and for *the right* people(there<br>
> > are also some faculty security aspects - equipment had been stolen in the<br>
> > past)<br>
> ><br>
> > of course: IMHO.<br>
> ><br>
> > Regards.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:36 AM, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda <<a href="mailto:ladypine@gmail.com">ladypine@gmail.com</a><br>
> > > wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Hello all,<br>
> >><br>
> >> Indeed, I intended to arrive, and I have even had a key during the last<br>
> >> two semesters (but not before that - we managed without for years, as<br>
> >> explained before). However, I was unable to come on the last minute.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I am sorry there was nobody there who knew Moti should be contacted. This<br>
> >> indeed will be fixed in the future as a part of the regular<br>
> >> lecturer-inviting protocol.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Orna.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:45 AM, Eli Billauer <<a href="mailto:eli@billauer.co.il">eli@billauer.co.il</a>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >>> Hello,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Since I've been seen presenting the speaker in some talks, and sometimes<br>
> >>> even made sure the projector is available (even though I don't have the key<br>
> >>> myself), and I sometimes announce lectures, I suppose some people will<br>
> >>> consider myself as an organizer. But the truth is, that Haifux has been<br>
> >>> running for quote a few years without appointing anyone to "organize" the<br>
> >>> event. Exactly as in the free software world, the slots have been filled by<br>
> >>> whoever was there to fill them.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I'm sorry to hear about today's mishap. It's a truly rare event, and it<br>
> >>> looks like the shortcircuit lies somewhere between myself and Orna.<br>
> >>> Personally, I had other things on my mind, and I actually wasn't aware that<br>
> >>> anything was planned for today. One lesson to learn is that a lecture<br>
> >>> announced on the same day is a bad omen.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> A second bad omen is when you're going to give a lecture, and you have no<br>
> >>> phone number whatsoever to call in case something goes wrong (stuck on the<br>
> >>> road, for example). It's actually true for any kind of appointment one<br>
> >>> makes.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Please keep in mind that the only dedicated staff in any lecture, is the<br>
> >>> speaker himself (or herself). Arriving at a lecture expecting that<br>
> >>> everything has been fixed by just somebody is a bit of a gambling. It works<br>
</div></div>> >>> almost always, but this time, it just didn't. Andallow me to say, as<br>
<div><div></div><div class="h5">> >>> someone who has delivered professional courses, that the same rule applies<br>
> >>> in the "real world".<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Having said all this, I'd still like to apologize for the inconvenience.<br>
> >>> The few of us involved will make sure this will not happen again.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>>Eli<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> --<br>
> >>> Web: <a href="http://www.billauer.co.il" target="_blank">http://www.billauer.co.il</a><br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> --<br>
> >> Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda.<br>
> >> <a href="http://ladypine.org" target="_blank">http://ladypine.org</a><br>
> >><br>
> >> _______________________________________________<br>
> >> Haifux mailing list<br>
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> >> <a href="http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux" target="_blank">http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/haifux</a><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > --<br>
> > Maxim Kovgan<br>
> ><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda.<br>
> <a href="http://ladypine.org" target="_blank">http://ladypine.org</a><br>
><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda.<br><a href="http://ladypine.org">http://ladypine.org</a><br>
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