<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Lior Kaplan</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kaplanlior@gmail.com">kaplanlior@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<br><div dir="ltr">You can open a parallel page to this one for non-government websites:<br><a href="http://wiki.hamakor.org.il/index.php/%D7%90%D7%AA%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%AA%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9C%D7%90_%D7%AA%D7%A7%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9D" target="_blank">http://wiki.hamakor.org.il/index.php/%D7%90%D7%AA%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%9C%D7%AA%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9C%D7%90_%D7%AA%D7%A7%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9D</a><br>
<br>See also: <a href="http://www.mozilla.org.il/evangel.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.mozilla.org.il/evangel.shtml</a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ladypine@gmail.com" target="_blank">ladypine@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr">I think such a page should be dynamic (our site is static) and user editable, maybe a wiki. Maybe Hamakor already have such a setup or even page ready?<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Shahar Dag</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dag@cs.technion.ac.il" target="_blank">dag@cs.technion.ac.il</a>></span><br>
Date: Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 9:32 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [Haifux] A meeting proposal - Ranting over poor internet support<br>To: Haifux <<a href="mailto:haifux@haifux.org" target="_blank">haifux@haifux.org</a>><br><br><br>Hello<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I agree that web sites should be accessible from more then one browser.<br>
<br>
I am not sure if sending 20 letters to a web muster on one day is better<br>
then 20 letters to the same web muster that arrives in a period of a month.<br>
<br>
I suggest opening a page in the clubs site that will contain:<br>
<br>
1.. A table with the data of all the bad sites.<br>
1.. The table should include:<br>
2.. The company name<br>
3.. The URL of the site<br>
4.. The browser that is not working<br>
5.. The problem<br>
6.. The date this entry was added<br>
7.. The email address of the webmaster<br>
8.. The email address (or any other address) of the company headquarter<br>
9.. The date this entry was added<br>
10.. Did the fix the problem ( & when )<br>
2.. Some templates of a letters to a webmaster / company headquarter<br>
3.. Links to tools that can check the quality of the web page<br>
4.. Links to instructions on how to make a web page standard<br>
I suggest that Linux-il and any Linux / open source community shell be asked<br>
to send the same letters according to this web page.<br>
<br>
I think that we shell include in the letter to the web muster a link to a<br>
free tool that can scan his web & point out all the non-standard parts. If<br>
we can point out to a solution page, this will be even better.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Shahar<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Orr Dunkelman" <<a href="mailto:orr.dunkelman@gmail.com" target="_blank">orr.dunkelman@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: "Haifux" <<a href="mailto:haifux@haifux.org" target="_blank">haifux@haifux.org</a>><br>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 2:21 PM<br>
Subject: [Haifux] A meeting proposal - Ranting over poor internet support<br>
<br>
<br>
> Hi everybody,<br>
><br>
> Well, we all know that feeling when we try to approach the website<br>
> http://some.url.here and fail because they require IE on a windows<br>
> machine.<br>
><br>
> While the situation is slowly getting better (in some aspects), we are<br>
> still far away from the wonderland we promised ourselves (yeah, once<br>
> there will be 1000's of Linux users, once there will be an official<br>
> organization, once the moon will be green). In these instances we<br>
> usually complain when we hit a specific website where things do not<br>
> work. This sometimes lead to better support, but sometimes not. The<br>
> reason for failure is that we usually do not act as a group.<br>
><br>
> Hence, I would like to suggest a "rant" meeting, where we will all sit<br>
> down together, and at the same time send complaint letters to as many<br>
> websites as possible (even those we are not users of). While it is<br>
> easy to answer to 1 person complaining on lack of true support, 20<br>
> people, each writing their own letter arriving at the same time (give<br>
> or take), is something which is harder to discard.<br>
><br>
> Before the meeting we will collect the offending websites, and in the<br>
> meeting, each of us will send a polite email (with emphasis on<br>
> "polite") to the webmasters of all the websites (even if you are not a<br>
> client, mention that you cannot become a client until they have<br>
> support for your browser).<br>
><br>
> Besides a hope for a better tomorrow for us and our children ;) we<br>
> will also increase our exposure, maybe shift things in the right<br>
> direction, and of course, have a wonderful time ranting on all the<br>
> nasty webmasters who insist that IE is the only solution.<br>
><br>
> Any takers? (btw, this is a meeting which we can also hold<br>
> electronically, so those of us who cannot attend physically, can<br>
> attend through chats, IMs, and such),<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Orr Dunkelman,<br>
> <a href="mailto:Orr.Dunkelman@gmail.com" target="_blank">Orr.Dunkelman@gmail.com</a><br>
><br>
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