<div dir="ltr">it seems that on t2 (now called stud) you can use not only file:/// but also svn+ssh://, with only a student account. in that case i agree that subversion is much better than git for this purpose.<br><br>as for the question of why do you need version control for something as simple as MATAM, it really makes a huge difference from my experience. it saves alot of the "ok i did this now you do this" and the "crap we messed up let's hope there's a backup of this in my inbox" and lets you focus on the work. while some students may be skeptical, this IMHO will become a killer app and a must for many students and may give us an upper hand.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:05, Vadim Eisenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vadim.eisenberg@gmail.com">vadim.eisenberg@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">guy keren wrote:<br>
> you can mention memory leaks if you want - but students don't care about them so much, because it doesn't break their programs.<br>
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</div>Starting from the Winter 2008-2009 semester, the memory leaks are checked in Matam (Introduction to Systems Programming) course and 1 point is reduced for each leak. The check is done automatically, using, guess what, valgrind. So the students in Matam actually care very much about the memory leaks.<br>
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</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">Eli Billauer wrote:<br>
> guy keren wrote:<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> what - no valgrind?<br>
>><br>
> I stand corrected. A quick demonstration of valgrind (show how it<br>
> detects memory leaks and access to unallocated/uninitialized memory)<br>
> is in place. It's definitely something handy for a student, and it's<br>
> so simple to use.<br>
><br>
> Eli<br>
><br>
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i think the best demo for valgrind would be:<br>
<br>
1. this step should be done at home: write a program that has a non-obvious problem with corrupting its memory (make sure that when you run it, it actually crashes)<br>
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2. the next steps will be done during the demonstration: show it to the people (the source, how the program crashes, and how you fail to find the problem even when the crash is done inside gdb)<br>
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3. show them how you find the bug within seconds using valgrind.<br>
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you can mention memory leaks if you want - but students don't care about them so much, because it doesn't break their programs. they do care about memory corruption if it indeed causes their program to crash.<br>
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--guy<br>
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